Although smarting from the 1961 Yanks whipping at the hands of the 1976 Cincinnati Reds, which backed Bill James’ theories about the relative merits of the two teams… I still had massive fun. Being a lifetime fan of Yankees past and present, I decided to pit historical matchups of the great Yankee teams against great squads of yesteryear. The opponents were usually world or league champs, or also-rans who won 100 games or boasted lots of stars. The opponents thus far have ranged from 1894 to 2002. The Yankee teams have thus far been from 1921 to 1937, plus the ’61 M&M boys.
All games are played using Sim League Baseball by What If Sports. A full 154 game slate is played. The teams alternate five game series at each team’s respective home parks… during each team’s respective home era. When the 1927 Yanks visit the 1894 Phillies, they not only have to deal with facing four .400 hitters in the tiny Baker Bowl, they have to deal with gaslamps, wooden ballparks and horse buggies. And when Big Ed Delahanty comes to 1927 Yankee Stadium, he experiences 70,000 crowds, steel-and-concrete stadiums and car-sickness for the first time.
Every effort is made to use the players the way they were used back in the day. For example, when the ’61 Yanks lost to the ’76 Reds, I couldn’t start Whitey Ford every day – or 60 games a season. On the other hand, Big Six Mathewson, Iron Man McGinnity and Kid Nichols all started every 3rd day AND came in out of the bullpen – er, I mean from the sidelines, where relievers loosened up back in the day.
Sometimes I varied things a little, but usually it wasn’t to give either team an edge, but rather to see how an unheralded scrub might perform if given a chance… a Ben Paschal here, a Johnny Blanchard there… but I did it for everybody. I let Dusty Rhodes (’54 Giants) play a lot more than Leo Durocher did, and while he was no Say Hey Kid in the field, he looked like the Sultan of Swat with the lumber in his hands.
The Sim League Baseball simulator makes all substitutions, both pitching and pinch-hitting. And the game seems to honor whatever era. When Ruth, Gehrig or DiMaggio visit the dead-ball era, the home runs become harder to come by. When Mordecai ‘Three-Finger’ Brown comes to 1927 Yankee Stadium, he still pitches brilliantly, but he leaves his 1.04 ERA home.
Here is how they fared. The records in parentheses are the Yankees’.
1921 Yanks
1905 NY Giants (77-77) tied!
1921 NY Giants (79-75) won!
1921 STL Browns (71-79) lost!
2002 SF Giants (94-60) won!
1923 Yanks
2001 SF Giants (80-74) won!
1927 Yanks
17 teams up, 17 teams down!
2602 games: 1666-936 (.640)
1894 Baltimore Orioles 89-65 .578 (4th)
1894 Philadelphia Phils 95-59 .617 (6th tied)
1894 Boston Bean-eaters 121-33 .786 (17th)
1904 NY Giants 95-55 .633 (10th)
1906 Chicago Cubs 81-69 .540 (1st)
1915 Detroit Tigers 92-62 .597 (5th)
1920 Chicago Black Sox 104-50 .675
1922 STL Browns 85-65 .566 (2nd)
1929 Chicago Cubs 111-51 .685 (15th)
1930 Chicago Cubs 124-26 .685 (18th)
1930 Phila Athletics 104-50 .675 (13th)
1931 Phila Athletics 94-56 .626 (9th)
1953 Bklyn Dodgers 95-59 .617 (6th tied)
1953 Bklyn Dodgers rematch! 99-51 .660 (11th)
1962 LA Dodgers 88-66 .571 (3rd)
1962 SF Giants 103-51 .668 (12th)
1963 LA Dodgers 114-36 .760 (16th)
1975 Cincinnati Reds 96-58 .623 (8th)
1928 Yanks
1975 Cincinnati Reds 69-85 lost!
1932 Yanks
1976 Cincinnati Reds beat 1932 New York Yankees 83-71!
N. Y..........…BA/SA……HR…RBI
Chapman..308/.491 17 112
Ruth……….330/.660 59 176
Gehrig…… .365/.631 38 169
Lazzeri…....307/.498 21 124
Dickey……..318/.452 16 136
Cin. ..........…BA/SA……HR…RBI
Griffey…… .305/.444 10 80
Morgan…....370/.684 32 146
Foster……. .311/.560 30 204
Perez…….. .264/.541 36 166
1932 Yanks
1954 New York Giants 93-61 Yanks win!
PLAYER……………HR…RBI…BA/SA
Ben Chapman…….15...97.... .304/.454
Babe Ruth………….48...149...291/.588
Lou Gehrig…………36...174....330/.591
Tony Lazzeri……….10... 99....277/.411
Bill Dickey………….12... 119.. .319/.448
Willie Mays………...35... 123... .343/.625
Dusty Rhodes……..44... 151... .336/.609
Don Mueller……….. 6... 60.... .346/.462
Mays 395 total bases (overall leader)
Hank Thompson 25hr 109rbi
PITCHERS……..W-L…Inn…ERA
John Antonelli 15-10 246…3.98
Lefty Gomez……8-13…210…5.04
Red Ruffing……14-7…224…5.62
Johnny Allen….15-4… 165…4.41
Herb Pennock… 7-3… 127…4.87
1936 Yanks
1915 Red Sox 82-72 won!
1937 Yanks
1916 Red Sox 99-55 won!
1946 Red Sox 87-67 won!
1962 Dodgers 82-72 won!
1970 Baltimore 91-63 won!
1961 Yanks
1976 Cincinnati Reds 77-85 lost!
1976 Cincinnati Reds 75-87 rematch lost!
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Monday, September 19, 2011
Monday, January 31, 2011
1923 NY YANKS! 1923 NY GIANTS
"...Yankees will have to build a park in Queens or some other out-of-the-way place. Let them go away and wither on the vine." - John McGraw, Manager of New York Giants 1902-1932.
Uh...no.
The Stadiums were close enough that a young rookie from Oklahoma asked for directions to the ballpark. He found himself at the Polo Grounds, which was a problem, because the rookie was a Yankee. He merely walked across the Macombs Dam bridge and reported to Yankee Stadium... embarrassed. But Mickey Charles Mantle stayed for 18 years. And in 1958, two years after the Mick won the Triple Crown (52 HR 130 RBI .353 BA), it was the New York Giants who went away and withered on the vine.
*Actually - according to Baseball Reference.com, the Mick won at least a Septuple Crown, since he also paced the American League in Runs (127), Slugging (.705), On Base-plus-Slugging (1.169), and Total Bases (376).
"Never shoulda happened." Muses a Giant centerfielder named Dutch Stengel. "You just tell the tenants that times are tough and you gotta collect a little more rent. Then every time that big son-of-a-battleship bombs another home run, you count your money while he counts his."
The big 'battleship' of course, with 41 HRs, 131 RBIs and a .393 batting average, was George H. Ruth. That also would have been good enough for a triple crown except for Hall of Famer Harry Heilmann dialing it up at .403 in 1923. However, the Babe, like the Mick, basically led the American League in 'baseball'... a 'Nonuple' Crown: Runs(151), HRs(41), RBIs(131), Walks (170) On Base Pct (.545), Slugging (.764), On Base-plus-Slugging Pct (1.309), Total Bases (399) and Strikeouts (93)! In leading the AL in On-Base, Slugging and OPS, Ruth was in the middle of an incredible seven year run (1918-1924) where he led in On Base Pct. five times and in the other two categories all seven years. Bear in mind also that during the first two years of this reign the Babe still managed to go 22-12 with a 2.55 as a starting left-hander for the Red Sox.
When the Yanks opened their new baseball palace in 1923 there was actually talk of calling it Ruth Field. Officially christened Yankee Stadium, nature did take its course, as the ballyard on 161st and River Avenue was soon and forever nicknamed 'The House That Ruth Built'. And sage Casey Stengel was right. I have often thought that had the Giants been willing to work things out with their tenants, the Giants would still be in New York. Eventually the Polo Grounds would have worn out, as it did, and the Giants could have moved over to Yankee Stadium while a new park was being built for Willie Mays and company in the late fifties. Instead the ghosts of Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, and McGraw wander aimlessly, looking for home... or at least home plate.
Uh...no.
The Stadiums were close enough that a young rookie from Oklahoma asked for directions to the ballpark. He found himself at the Polo Grounds, which was a problem, because the rookie was a Yankee. He merely walked across the Macombs Dam bridge and reported to Yankee Stadium... embarrassed. But Mickey Charles Mantle stayed for 18 years. And in 1958, two years after the Mick won the Triple Crown (52 HR 130 RBI .353 BA), it was the New York Giants who went away and withered on the vine.
*Actually - according to Baseball Reference.com, the Mick won at least a Septuple Crown, since he also paced the American League in Runs (127), Slugging (.705), On Base-plus-Slugging (1.169), and Total Bases (376).
"Never shoulda happened." Muses a Giant centerfielder named Dutch Stengel. "You just tell the tenants that times are tough and you gotta collect a little more rent. Then every time that big son-of-a-battleship bombs another home run, you count your money while he counts his."
The big 'battleship' of course, with 41 HRs, 131 RBIs and a .393 batting average, was George H. Ruth. That also would have been good enough for a triple crown except for Hall of Famer Harry Heilmann dialing it up at .403 in 1923. However, the Babe, like the Mick, basically led the American League in 'baseball'... a 'Nonuple' Crown: Runs(151), HRs(41), RBIs(131), Walks (170) On Base Pct (.545), Slugging (.764), On Base-plus-Slugging Pct (1.309), Total Bases (399) and Strikeouts (93)! In leading the AL in On-Base, Slugging and OPS, Ruth was in the middle of an incredible seven year run (1918-1924) where he led in On Base Pct. five times and in the other two categories all seven years. Bear in mind also that during the first two years of this reign the Babe still managed to go 22-12 with a 2.55 as a starting left-hander for the Red Sox.
When the Yanks opened their new baseball palace in 1923 there was actually talk of calling it Ruth Field. Officially christened Yankee Stadium, nature did take its course, as the ballyard on 161st and River Avenue was soon and forever nicknamed 'The House That Ruth Built'. And sage Casey Stengel was right. I have often thought that had the Giants been willing to work things out with their tenants, the Giants would still be in New York. Eventually the Polo Grounds would have worn out, as it did, and the Giants could have moved over to Yankee Stadium while a new park was being built for Willie Mays and company in the late fifties. Instead the ghosts of Mathewson, McGinnity, Ott, and McGraw wander aimlessly, looking for home... or at least home plate.
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